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The Arab Opinion of Zionism

There are some factual errors here, but this 1947 speech by King Abdullah of Jordan really sums up Arab attitudes towards Israel. Now some might be bothered by my linking to it, but I think it's very important. If we do not understand the Arab point of view, how can we even begin to understand the root causes to the problems in the Middle East? It's like the awful 9/11 Commission report. Hundreds of pages describing intelligence failures, millions of pages of documentation consulted, hundreds of interviews given, millions of dollars spent, and only one tiny paragraph hinting as to motivation.

This is not to justify any murder or atrocity -- the people who participated in 9/11 were murderers and Hamas undeniably bears some responsibility for the current Israeli assault on Gaza, but blindly favoring one side over the other with little understanding of root issues is zealotry and merely serves to continue this awful situation.

A key paragraph in this speech, given to an American audience, sums up the issue:

What would your answer be if some outside agency told you that you must accept in America many millions of utter strangers in your midst—enough to dominate your country—merely because they insisted on going to America, and because their forefathers had once lived there some 2,000 years ago?

You might disagree with some or all of that speech, but you have to understand that this is the viewpoint of many Arabs. Israelis deserve to live in peace, but Palestinians deserve to have a home again.

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I'd never read that before, but there weren't really many surprises. What drives me crazy is that it seems like most people- especially in the US- either can't or simply just don't bother to understand anything at all of the causes of the conflicts in that region. It's really *not* that a complicated scenario, but people are more inclined to stop at "Jews good, Arabs bad" without giving it any further thought.
Actually, it is a complicated scenario -- if someone is trying to assign blame to one side or another and find them primarily at fault. Once someone realizes that there's enough blame to go around and that both sides can/should be held accountable for atrocities, then you're right, it's not a complicated scenario.

Too bad so many people are happy in their judgmental ignorance.
How is it that complicated a question, though? The Palestinian Arabs were effectively made homeless over their very vocal objections by the actions of the West and what would become Israel; they pushed back against it, and, after their recent treatment at the hands of the Third Reich, the Israelis weren't having *any* of that and responded with absolute, unequivocal violence. Violence begat more violence (as it is wont to do), and for 50 years we've had people pointing fingers with one hand and pulling triggers with the other, as funded in large part by the US.

So we wind up in our current day plight- so long as both sides continue turning to violent means to achieve their ends, nothing really improves, and for all of the lip service US presidents have paid to the idea of a peaceful resolution, we've still continued to provide a massive arms advantage to Israel, which tends to undercut their incentive to find a brokered settlement- why compromise if you've got the upper hand?

For the part of the Palestinians, their tactics have gotten progressively more and more desperate and pointless as this tide has continued against them, to the point of engaging in terrorism; I'd offer that once you've reached that point, you've lost already.
Like I said, it's a complicated scenario if you're a zealot trying to assign blame. That's all I mean. I'm sure you've seen plenty of justifications for both sides. Those justifications can get convoluted as they say "yeah, we did this, but they did that" and everyone tries to trace things back to previous atrocities and you get into the horrible he said/she said issues.

I think you and I are just in violent agreement :)
There's plenty of terrorist organisations that have won their struggles against The Man throughout history. ZANU and ZAPU, for example, in Rhodesia. Parts of the ANC in South Africa. The IRA and their chums that gained independence for part of Ireland. Hell, there were plenty of terrorists involved in the establishment of the state of Israel too.

To say that once you use terrorism you've already lost shows a terrible ignorance of modern history.
Do you live in Israel? I can't read הלילה האחרון :)

Fortunately, on this blog, I knew I wasn't going to get too much grief, but posting stuff like this on my technical blog (they're used to non-technical content) would probably draw down a few flames from some pretty far right-wing folk.
surely that makes it your duty to post it to your technical blog ? or is it just not worth the grief ? :s
"What would your answer be if some outside agency told you that you must accept in America many millions of utter strangers in your midst"

Happens all the time. Need I explain?