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CCTV and Crime Rates

So I've been doing a bit of reading about CCTV and crime rates. As it turns out, they're extremely expensive to implement, but since most Brits are willing to trade their freedoms for safety, it's a price they're willing to pay.

The problem is, study after study shows that CCTV often has little to no effect on crime rates and more effective measures, such as better lighting on dark streets, are much more cost effective. So Brits have happily been trading their freedoms for, um, not much.


At this point, some folks might claim that conviction rates could increase, but even the British Home Office isn't saying much about this though they crow about some areas which have lower crime rates after CCTV was installed (which raises the ol' "correlation/causation" question). I haven't found much decent information on this, but I suspect that there are so many crimes and so many CCTV cameras (around 4.3 million with more being added all the time) that trying to wade through all of that data means that it's mostly high profile crimes which get proper attention via CCTV -- and that's assuming you knew where the crime took place.

On the other hand, CCTV has led to the convictions of CCTV operators for spying on women in their flats and it turns out that this is not uncommon.

And in the "I'd laugh if I wasn't so horrified" department (well, I'm laughing anyway), Scotland is considering adding CCTV cameras to monitor their speed cameras.

Side note: are any of my British friends offended by my talking like this? I realize that me moving over here and ripping on your country could be rubbing some of you the wrong way, but I can't seem to help speaking out about civil liberties.

On your side note: No ... but on the other hand being called "contemptible traitors" without any explanation (as one commenter to your earlier post said) has me spitting fire so badly that I can't respond until I calm down.
That was me. This country is the home of modern democracy and liberty. I can't think of anything worse than to turn your back on that in favour of an authoritarian spy-state. So yes, if you think ID cards are a good idea, you most certainly are a contemptible traitor.

I didn't think it necessary to explain myself at the time because it's bloody obvious.
quid pro quo. I hear so much anti-american bullshit from my fellow brits that it's only right that our own flaws be pointed out too.

CCTV cameras aren't great at catching criminals. Pictures of people wearing baseball caps and hoodies that could be anyone do not a great crime fighting tool make.
Smile, you're on candid camera...
When Matt's younger brother was assaulted in an unprovoked, homophobic-motivated attack, we were unable to obtain CCTV footage of the incident from the local bus company even though we were careful to document the date, time, route, location, registration number and the name of the driver. We were also discouraged by the police from even reporting the incident because they admitted that they weren't going to catch the perpetrator, and it was only because I kicked up such a fuss at the police station, intent on having the attack recorded for statistical purposes, that they even bothered to take down the details at all.

The only difference I've noticed from the proliferation of CCTV is that whenever someone is murdered, the footage of the poor soul's last moments can now be played on the local evening news. I don't believe that it acts as a deterrent or has any measurable effect on crime prevention and it doesn't make me feel any safer. I'd like to think that CCTV makes it easier to convict the guilty if the crime is reported and if the police can find them, but from my (admittedly limited) experience of the legal process, some magistrate courts do not have the facilities to replay CCTV footage and it can take considerable lengths of time for the CCTV footage to be recovered and for replay facilities to be arranged.

In response to your side note; I'm not offended, and I appreciate your insight.

You've heard about the "talking" CCTV cameras, right? *ducks and covers*
but I can't seem to help speaking out about civil liberties.

The irony is that you come from a very fascist state (country, whatever), so the fact that you NOTICE these things says a lot about you. Most retardicans don't notice those things, cross at the crosswalk on green, and speed only because everyone else is doing it.

I live amongst sheep. Really, dumb, love-a-made-up-daddy-in-the-sky vote-for-an-idiot-because-he's-as-dumb-as-you, SUVs-are-neato, poop-out-4-kids-because-sex-is-only-for-breeding sheep.
I appreciate your speaking out. I would be speaking out myself, if I had more time. As it is, I shall just wear a black 3-hole balaclava in future, if committing crimes when I suspect I'm on CCTV.
The real reason...
... for the CCTV cameras is to help defend the country when the old ones return. Watch the cows! (

Re side note - not at all. You let us mock your president so it only seems fair :-)

Ob: YesItsAdrian
On your side note...

Not a bit. No country is perfect and sometimes it takes someone from outside to spot some of the less obvious things that are going on.

That being said, it's horrified me for some time how paranoid the brits have become about pretty much everything and how readily they accept the loss of some basic privacy's with almost no complaint what so ever.
I'm surprised that the idea of cameras monitoring other cameras took so long to come about over there. It seems like the 'general public', no matter which country we are talking about, is driven by fear and shortsightedness.

I'm not offended by your side note; I moved to America but haven't stopped complaining about all the things wrong with it.
New Documentary on CCTV
There is a new documentary about video surveillance (CCTV) in Britain coming out, and this time, the topic seems to be covered in a more critical way. There's a trailer online: